On February 26, 2021, I had the honor of being a guest on Ship Talk, a podcast by Harness.io, to talk about DevOps complexities, and how they continue to shift, evolve, and give birth to new ideas, approaches and companies. I had a great conversation with Ravi Lachhman, (Evangelist at Harness and someone I nearly met multiple times in the last 17+ years) and I am happy that we finally connected, as I am sure we will talk many more times for many more years to come.